Redis and Memcache or just Redis?

I'm using memcached for some caching in my Rails 3 app through the simple Rails.cache interface and now I'd like to do some background job processing with redis and resque.

I think they're different enough to warrant using both. On heroku though, there are separate fees to use both memcached and redis. Does it make sense to use both or should I migrate to just using redis?

I like using memcached for caching because least recently used keys automatically get pushed out of the cache and I don't need the cache data to persist. Redis is mostly new to me, but I understand that it's persistent by default and that keys do not expire out of the cache automatically.

EDIT: Just wanted to be more clear with my question. I know it's feasible to use only Redis instead of both. I guess I just want to know if there are any specific disadvantages in doing so? Considering both implementation and infrastructure, are there any reasons why I shouldn't just use Redis? (I.e., is memcached faster for simple caching?) I haven't found anything definitive either way.

Assuming that migrating from memcached to redis for the caching you already do is easy enough, I'd go with redis only to keep things simple.

In redis persistence is optional, so you can use it much like memcached if that is what you want. You may even find that making your cache persistent is useful to avoid lots of cache misses after a restart. Expiry is available also - the algorithm is a bit different from memcached, but not enough to matter for most purposes - see http://redis.io/commands/expire for details.

I'm the author of redis-store, there is no need to use directly Redis commands, just use the :expires_in option like this:

ActionController::Base.cache_store = :redis_store, :expires_in => 5.minutes

The advantage of using Redis is fastness, and with my gem, is that you already have stores for Rack::Cache, Rails.cache or I18n.

I've seen a few large rails sites that use both Memcached and Redis. Memcached is used for ephemeral things that are nice to keep hot in memory but can be lost/regenerated if needed, and Redis for persistent storage. Both are used to take a load off the main DB for reading/write heavy operations.

More details:

Memcached: used for page/fragment/response caching and it's ok to hit the memory limit on Memcached because it will LRU (least recently used) to expire the old stuff, and frequently keep accessed keys hot in memory. It's important that anything in Memcached could be recreated from the DB if needed (it's not your only copy). But you can keep dumping things into it, and Memcached will figure which are used most frequently and keep those hot in memory. You don't have to worry about removing things from Memcached.

redis: you use this for data that you would not want to lose, and is small enough to fit in memory. This usually includes resque/sidekiq jobs, counters for rate limiting, split test results, or anything that you wouldn't want to lose/recreate. You don't want to exceed the memory limit here, so you have to be a little more careful about what you store and clean up later.

Redis starts to suffer performance problems once it exceeds its memory limit (correct me if I'm wrong). It's possible to solve this by configuring Redis to act like Memcached and LRU expire stuff, so it never reaches its memory limit. But you would not want to do this with everything you are keeping in Redis, like resque jobs. So instead of people often keep the default, Rails.cache set to use Memcached (using the dalli gem). And then they keep a separate $redis = ... global variable to do redis operations.

# in config/application.rb
config.cache_store = :dalli_store  # memcached

# in config/initializers/redis.rb
$redis = $redis = Redis.connect(url: ENV['REDIS_URL'])

There might be an easy way to do this all in Redis - perhaps by having two separate Redis instances, one with an LRU hard memory limit, similar to Memcache, and another for persistent storage? I haven't seen this used, but I'm guessing it would be doable.

I would consider checking out my answer on this subject:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4221735/rails-and-caching-is-it-easy-to-switch-between-memcache-and-redis/4342279#4342279

Essentially, through my experience, I would advocate for keeping them separate: memcached for caching and redis for data structures and more persistant storage

I asked the team at Redis Labs (who provide the Memcached Cloud and Redis Cloud add ons) about which product they would recommend for Rails caching. They said that in general they would recommend Redis Cloud, that Memcached Cloud is mainly offered for legacy purposes, and pointed out that their Memcached Cloud service is in fact build on top of Redis Cloud.

I don't know what you're using them for, but actually using both may give you a performance advantage: Memcached has far better performance running across multiple cores than Redis, so caching the most important data with Memcached and keeping the rest in Redis, taking advantage of its capabilities as database, could increase performance.